Ok. First, I don't want to offend anybody who wouldn't be offended if I didn't write this useless post.
Ok. NOW! Second (I'd really love to have called that FIRST, but I had to address that horrible issue of morons being offended by something they shouldn't be...Hmm. Government-sponsered offense-taking education? OTE for short? Sounds good.), there's...wait.
...I forgot. Just a second while I remember...
OH! RIGHT! It's a way, way, way overused phrase that should be...um...better used!
Ok. When I get married, then I'll have someone to say that about. But really! I can say my computer changed my life. OHGOH!
RIGHT! There's the little issue of defining the word "life", too! If your life has been predestined before the beginning of the world, the, forsooth, what can change it?!
People. PUH-LEAZZZE. If I can say, for instance, that a movie or some music changed my life, then I can say, for instance, that a certain molecule of air changed my life! The moronic squirrels who just love to eat all our birdseed changed my life! 9/11 changed my life! The busted pixel on Daddy's LCD changed my life!
...really, people, I think I can logically say it's as easy to change the past as it is to change the future. If you can actually change what will happen in the future, then you're talking. But if your life is predestined before time...then you can't change it. Which sounds really horrible and all, but it's not. I know.
Ok. Now that I've assuredly offended half the world, I'll sign off.
Good Day, Good Night, and have a great life!
!Noah!
15 comments:
that's really deep...
Have you thought that the thing that changed your life might have been predestined as well? And that you life was never meant to be the way you thought it would be?
Just a thought....
that's really deep...
Have you thought that the thing that changed your life might have been predestined as well? And that you life was never meant to be the way you thought it would be?
Just a thought....
Well, if it was predestined, then it was predestined, and it's gonna happen, so your life's unchangeable. Right? I mean, if your whole life was predestined, then there's nothing to change, even supposing something does "change" your life. If we're talking about altering the general direciton you're going, sure, you can change your life. If we're talking about changing the way things are going to happen, then no.
!Noah!
Excuse me. My point isn't that one is or isn't moved by one or another thing. My point is that the phrase "(blank) changed my life." is not accurate in some way I can't quite place. That might have some vague relationship to the fact that I'm not willing to put a lot of thought into something like this off whatever bat there may, or may not, happen to be.
Ok. Last Paragraph. Rephrase.
...really, people, I think I can logically say it's as easy to change the past as it is to change the future. If you can actually change what will happen in the future, then you're talking. But if your life is predestined before time...then you can't change it. Which sounds really horrible and all, but it's not. I know.
Basically, what I mean is...if you can change what will happen to you, in the present, it's just as easy, I think, to change the past. In a word, impossible.
All these arguments(if you decide to so call them) are based in a firm belief in predestination. So, I guess, if you disagree on that bit, you'll have to be really creative to argue against me.
!Noah!
The phrase "(something) changed my life" can't be accurate supposing that both the past and future are solid and unchangable.
Here's an analogy.
There is a long bit of clay. In my view of one's past, present, and future, one would be somewhere between the beginning and the end of said clay. They would only be able to make "changes" in whatever infinitely small bit of time you people generally call the present. You are totally unable to change the past, of course. And changing the future is only different because it isn't the same as the past. (seemingly more solid and unmovable than the future.)
My point isn't that one can't change what direction one's life is going in, but that, supposing you believe in predestination, your future is as unchangeable as your past, and will play out as it was predestined.
I hope that helped a bit.
!Noah!
Mark, you're confusing change in a person and change in a life. I guess that's another rather large part of the problem. Life is either loosely defined, or not at all.
As you said, Noah is at point A at one point in time, point B at another. This is not his life. They're two different people, because of the change that happened. Not in his life. In his person, character, or whatever other aspect of his being you annoyingly decide to bicker over.
!Noah!
They say..."You can never cross the same river twice."
I believe that this is true. The first time you put your foot in the river, there are trillions of trillions of trillions of trillions of molecules flowing downstream. The next time you get to crossing the thing, it's so different it would probably take a supercomputer a few decades to accurately simulate the same thing. Meaning, man, O, man, is it different.
The same thing applies to humans. Take me one second, I'll be one person, take me another (or even a trillionth of a second later), and I'm totally different, though you may not see it. I'm probably sitting in a position that's totally different than I ever have before, I may have learned something. Any portion of my blood may be totally redistributed by the time you check again. I'm changing so fast, only God can keep up with it.
Noah, that would mean that you are a nearly infinite number of people people. You're saying that if one aspect of a person is changed, the entire being is thrown out, which is ridiculous.
Ever heard of Occam's razor?
There are, were, or will be literally infinite...versions, iterations, whatever you want to call them, of any physical object in the world. We're always changing.
The point is, people, that once you do something, you can't change your mind. You can't turn back. It's done.
If you're talking about making a decision that you wouldn't normally make, that's still just filling in the scroll of history. If I decided I really wanted to "change" history, then I could go out and kill someone. But I don't. I have an idea in my head of what I want me, the world, and those around me to be like. If that's the future, then you're really shoving God out of the picture.
I have a dream. I want it to be completed. Therefore, I'm going to try to do the right things and make it happen. But, if I can't, I'll just change what used to be my image of the future. Because I can't go back and change things. I can't make everything happen my own way.
!Noah!
Oh, and no, I haven't heard of whatshisname's razor.
!Noah!
Let's see. I think you did it.
Noah, that would mean that you are a nearly infinite number of people people. You're saying that if one aspect of a person is changed, the entire being is thrown out, which is ridiculous.
Ever heard of Occam's razor?
Everything's always changing at a huge rate. Yes. But we're talking about the future, not people, or however many of them there happen to be.
The reason I brought up the "everything's changing at a huge rate" bit is that you seemed to think it was false. Pretty simple, don't you think?
!Noah!
"'Everything's always changing at a huge rate. Yes. But we're talking about the future, not people, or however many of them there happen to be.'
What does that even mean?"
What we are talking about is whether one can or can not change what, for the lack of a better word, must be called the future.
"You just a couple comments ago said that people ARE constantly changing!"
And I don't believe I'm contradicting myself in the quoted comment. Yes, I was talking about people a few comments ago.
"I never said that everything's not changing. I just said that change does not change the essence of a thing."
That's good.
For your information, this conversation is really making me feel incompetent. I'd sort of like it if I could resolve such a disagreement or lack thereof within a few comments...
My point is, one cannot change what God has predestined to happen to one. God's going to make sure every neutron, electron, and proton of every atom of every molecule of every being that roams this earth, and all the other bits and pieces he put there for good reason, will do exactly what he wants.
What life are you changing? That which you wish for, or that which God has given you?
You can't change what God predestined. I think we can agree on that.
You can't change your life. You can change what you're like, you can change whether you take drugs or drink, you can break any addiciton or habit you can imagine having to break. But changing your life is not really...possible. You're stuck with what God's predestined. And, ahem, that's the best thing you could ask for.
As it's very late and I need to complete my Latin translation, I'll sign off and lose my train of thought better than anybody could, even if the things were teleport-enabled...
!Noah!
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